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Fred, I clicked on Final Thoughts but it's not a live link, and I don't see them in your review. Have you posted them yet?


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Final Thoughts

The Light Lens Lab 28mm f/2.8 9-Element is my first experience with a Light Lens Lab lens, and after spending some quality time with it, I’m quite impressed. For many, a 28mm f/2.8 might not seem particularly exciting, but this lens stands out. It’s like a modern rework of the Leica 28mm f/2.8 Elmarit 9-Element, with updated optical performance that keeps the vintage character intact. From minimum focus distance to infinity, it performs admirably, and I think shooters using high-megapixel sensors will really appreciate its capabilities.

In this review, I’ve examined the key characteristics of the lens and compared it to one of the best modern 28mm f/2.8 lenses I could find --- the Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar. These two lenses are in completely different size categories (the Voigtlander is essentially a pancake lens), but it was fascinating to compare them in terms of resolution, contrast, rendering, and how well they control optical imperfections.

Both lenses deliver impressive performance, but surprisingly, the Light Lens Lab outperforms the Voigtlander when shot wide open at the center and mid-field. The Voigtlander has an edge in the corners, and both lenses offer very similar performance starting at f/4 --- but the similarities end there. The field curvature of both lenses differs significantly: the Voigtlander produces a more neutral field curvature, while the LLL shows a more pronounced outward curvature. The Light Lens Lab also produces less vignetting and offers better correction of lateral chromatic aberration. While the LLL does produce sunstars, they tend to be uneven and less visually appealing at smaller apertures. In contrast, the Voigtlander excels in this area, delivering well-defined sunstars and exceptional flare resistance, which helps maintain higher contrast.

In terms of rendering, the Light Lens Lab offers smoother transitions and less outlining compared to the Voigtlander, which has a more characterful structured rendering. However, the LLL’s outward field curvature results in some rendering unevenness, with areas in the corners appearing sharper than they should. The Light Lens Lab also leans towards cooler tones and has a slightly narrower angle of view, giving it a distinct look and feel.

When it comes to distortion, the Light Lens Lab does exhibit noticeable pincushion distortion, but it’s easily correctable in post-processing, as I’ve noted in the distortion section of this review.

After spending time with the Light Lens Lab 28mm f/2.8, I’m not sure it’s the right choice for everyone. While it performs exceptionally well, there are much faster 28mm lenses out there that are smaller, lighter, and may offer even better performance. However, for those who appreciate the design and aesthetics, along with a substantial performance upgrade over the Leica version, this could be a great alternative. The original Leica Elmarit is rare and expensive, and while it has a dedicated fanbase, it doesn’t offer much beyond its prestige. Leica purists may not love how this lens outperforms the original, but I think that’s a relatively small group of potential buyers.


Pros:
  1. Excellent resolution from minimal focus to infinity at the center and mid-field.

  2. Sturdy construction, essentially a Leica clone with precise tolerances; my copy was well-centered and calibrated with the rangefinder.

  3. Lower optical vignetting compared to most 28mm M lenses.
  4. The rendering is pleasant, reminiscent of the original Leica design, though it does have some drawbacks (see Cons).
  5. Approximately 120 degrees of focus throw, making it easier to achieve precise focus.

  6. Strong control over chromatic aberration (both lateral and axial).


Cons:
  1. Noticeable pincushion distortion.
  2. Aperture mechanism produces defined 10-pointed sunstars, though they can be uneven.
  3. Prone to flare, which can reduce clarity and contrast, though it adds a cinematographic, vintage feel.
  4. Outward field curvature shape causes uneven rendering based on subject distance.

  5. Corners lack sharpness at wider apertures.



Nov 23, 2024 at 08:12 PM
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brick33308 wrote:
Fred, I clicked on Final Thoughts but it's not a live link, and I don't see them in your review. Have you posted them yet?


I was still working on it.



Nov 23, 2024 at 08:13 PM
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Thank you for the great review as always Fred! This was very valuable to me, particularly the comparison to the Voigtlander 28/2.8. I actually had the LLL 28/2.8 on preorder from PopFlash at the early price, which was very good, but I cancelled it a few weeks ago because honestly, I did not see myself using it over my Voigtlander 28/1.5 or the 28/2.8, both of which I love using. I take the 28/1.5 when I know I will be shooting at night but the 2.8 goes the other times. The size difference between the LLL and the Skopar is also a big factor. I do like my LLL 50/2 Panchro II so I was initially drawn to this lens but in the end, thinking about the size, I decided to pass. It does seem to outperform the Voiglander in areas which I would expect but when you consider the size difference, for me, the Voigtlander 28/2.8 wins. Sunstar differences also tip in favor of the Voiglander.

PopFlash and LLL did still get some more of my money though this week, I noticed the LLL 35/2 collapsable 8 element is on a pretty good price so that should be here later this week. I am a sucker for small lenses.



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BruceRH wrote:
Thank you for the great review as always Fred! This was very valuable to me, particularly the comparison to the Voigtlander 28/2.8. I actually had the LLL 28/2.8 on preorder from PopFlash at the early price, which was very good, but I cancelled it a few weeks ago because honestly, I did not see myself using it over my Voigtlander 28/1.5 or the 28/2.8, both of which I love using. I take the 28/1.5 when I know I will be shooting at night but the 2.8 goes the other times. The size difference between the LLL and the Skopar is
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I wasn’t interested in this lens but mainly for all the reasons you already stated- Seems like an odd re-make for me but I am usually not a fan of slow primes to begin with.

The size of it combined with the speed, it’s just not a lens I would ever consider taking out. I am a sucker for small lenses as well and love having them with me!!!!

I like what LLL is doing with all of these remakes though- Maybe a 50 f/1 remake next



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RustyRus wrote:
I wasn’t interested in this lens but mainly for all the reasons you already stated- Seems like an odd re-make for me but I am usually not a fan of slow primes to begin with.

The size of it combined with the speed, it’s just not a lens I would ever consider taking out. I am a sucker for small lenses as well and love having them with me!!!!

I like what LLL is doing with all of these remakes though- Maybe a 50 f/1 remake next


In the end, despite the extra weight and size, I felt that it's a versatile lens, offering excellent performance while preserving its original rendering characteristics, including the outward field curvature, lower optical vignetting, and cooler tones. It retains its unique character, particularly when shooting against the light, where veiling flare significantly reduces contrast yet fine detail remains. As I mentioned, there are smaller and faster 28mm M-lenses available, but the LLL 28 stands out with its superior brass construction and tight tolerance build quality.



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Get it from eBay, the collapsible can be negotiated down to $600


Thanks for the info but I am happy with the $748 at PopFlash, no tax and free shipping.



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Yes $600 no tax free shipping to me too. Not sure why you are happy with paying 148 more


I am not but I didn't see anything like that. Who did you buy from? eBay always charges tax at at least for me.



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Thanks for the review, Fred!

I can't help but think that maybe LLL went too far off script with this remake? I mean, using their first remake as an example, the 35 Cron 8-element, the reason someone like me wanted it was because it was a very faithful reproduction of the original's optical qualities. I wanted the wide open quirks, glow, etc. but without having to spend the collector's premium for the original. Otherwise, I would have just bought a VM 35/2 if I wanted modern.

Over the years of shooting modern 28s I have sometimes thought about getting a vintage 28 for a less clinical/sharp wide open look. And was hoping the LLL 28 would follow in the footsteps of their remakes of the 35 Cron 8E, 50 Elcan, etc. But this time a lot of the wide open 'character' appears to have been stripped or refined to the point where we instead have a fairly modern lens in a vintage housing. While that isn't necessarily a bad thing if you want modern, there are a number of modern options already.

The 28 that now has my curiosity (other than the Thypoch 28/1.4), is the Kinoshita Optical Kistar 28/3.2, precisely because it appears to be under-corrected wide open.

https://kinoshita-optical.com/kistar/2670
https://kinoshita-optical.com/kistar/2628



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I guess it goes both ways. I wasn't that interested in this lens in the beginning, expecting low resolution. But now it's looking quite compelling.


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rscheffler wrote:
Thanks for the review, Fred!

I can't help but think that maybe LLL went too far off script with this remake? I mean, using their first remake as an example, the 35 Cron 8-element, the reason someone like me wanted it was because it was a very faithful reproduction of the original's optical qualities. I wanted the wide open quirks, glow, etc. but without having to spend the collector's premium for the original. Otherwise, I would have just bought a VM 35/2 if I wanted modern.

Over the years of shooting modern 28s I have sometimes thought about getting a vintage 28
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You’re welcome, Ron.

I had similar thoughts and made sure to mention them in the final section of the review. Honestly, I'm not sure if this will impact the lens sales positively or negatively. From my conversations with LLL, they initially aimed to keep the optical design true to the original. However, they soon realized that the rarest type of Leica enthusiasts would still prefer the original lens. The original design can cause issues, such as significant fringing in the corners on certain digital sensors.

The color tint of the new lens is cooler because LLL closely follows the original Zeiss Schott Glass manufacturing process, resulting in a slightly colder temperature similar to the original. The outward field curvature, inherent to the original optical design, couldn't be corrected optically and remains the same.

The Kistar 28/3.2 looks interesting. Do you know when it will be released?



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rscheffler wrote:
Thanks for the review, Fred!

I can't help but think that maybe LLL went too far off script with this remake? I mean, using their first remake as an example, the 35 Cron 8-element, the reason someone like me wanted it was because it was a very faithful reproduction of the original's optical qualities. I wanted the wide open quirks, glow, etc. but without having to spend the collector's premium for the original. Otherwise, I would have just bought a VM 35/2 if I wanted modern.

Over the years of shooting modern 28s I have sometimes thought about getting a vintage 28
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I think of this lens as following how Voigtlander has several retro-looking lenses that are completely modern optically.

I was considering this lens, but pincushion distortion for wide angles is a deal killer for me.



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I think it can be seen as a double-edged sword. While some photographers will appreciate the performance enhancements, others might prefer a lens that more faithfully reproduces the original Leica’s characteristics.

raizans wrote:
I guess it goes both ways. I wasn't that interested in this lens in the beginning, expecting low resolution. But now it's looking quite compelling.




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Fred Miranda wrote:
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The Kistar 28/3.2 looks interesting. Do you know when it will be released?


Kistar 28/3.2 in M-mount is expected to be made available for pre-orders from February 2025 and it should be released sometime in the Spring (maybe April).

https://kinoshita--optical-com.translate.goog/topics/blog/2656

They are also planning to make an E-mount and X-mount version of this lens (like their 40/2.4 which was first made in E and X and later in M), Schedule for those versions is not known yet but I would assume they would come out later in 2025. I have their 40/2.4 in E-mount and their 3 C/Y mount lenses (55/1.2, 35/1.4, 85/1.4) that were made primarily for use on mirrorless cameras with mount adapters. I'm also planning to buy this 28/3.2 but I'd prefer to wait for the E-mount version, which will probably be a bit cheaper than the M-version + it should focus closer and pair nicely with the 40/2.4 E-mount version.

Their lenses may be difficult to buy from overseas though as they are mainly sold on through their website domestically in Japan and have been additionally only sold through Map Camera + their 3 C/Y lenses are sold through Amazon JP nowadays. I think they would not restrict Map Camera from delivering those lenses to overseas customers though as they have no foreign distribution on their own. Their lenses are made in very small batches over long period. With their current lineup, there might be only around ~200 copies of each lens in each mount. My E-mount 40/2.4 is serial #3.



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Juha Kannisto wrote:
Kistar 28/3.2 in M-mount is expected to be made available for pre-orders from February 2025 and it should be released sometime in the Spring (maybe April).

https://kinoshita--optical-com.translate.goog/topics/blog/2656

They are also planning to make an E-mount and X-mount version of this lens (like their 40/2.4 which was first made in E and X and later in M), Schedule for those versions is not known yet but I would assume they would come out later in 2025. I have their 40/2.4 in E-mount and their 3 C/Y mount lenses (55/1.2, 35/1.4, 85/1.4) that were made primarily for use on mirrorless cameras with mount
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Thanks for the info, Juha!

I wonder if any online stores that sell MS Optics lenses will also carry the Kistar, or if it will be available through Buyee for US buyers.



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Fred Miranda wrote:
Thanks for the info, Juha!

I wonder if any online stores that sell MS Optics lenses will also carry the Kistar, or if it will be available through Buyee for US buyers.


Thanks!

I think Kistar won't be available in any additional online stores and Map Camera might be the best bet for U.S. buyers (based on how previous Kistar lenses have been sold). Kinoshita Optical have an enquiry form on their website (Japanese site but English can be written in the query) and in the past I adviced one of the U.K. based forum members to ask through that web form when he wanted to buy Kistar 40/2.4 in E-mount. He got a response from Kinoshita Optical at that time, and they noted that they don't ship internationally themselves, but they put him in touch with somebody from Map Camera, who in turn made the lens available to him via their eBay store as a kind of special arrangement. At that time Map Camera didn't have Buyee connect yet so now it might work through that as well. I think Kinoshita Optical themselves wouldn't mind getting their lenses sold to overseas markets as well but they just don't have the framework for that.



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Fred Miranda wrote:
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The Kistar 28/3.2 looks interesting. Do you know when it will be released?

Juha Kannisto wrote:
Kistar 28/3.2 in M-mount is expected to be made available for pre-orders from February 2025 and it should be released sometime in the Spring (maybe April).

https://kinoshita--optical-com.translate.goog/topics/blog/2656

They are also planning to make an E-mount and X-mount version of this lens (like their 40/2.4 which was first made in E and X and later in M), Schedule for those versions is not known yet but I would assume they would come out later in 2025. I have their 40/2.4 in E-mount and their 3 C/Y mount lenses (55/1.2, 35/1.4, 85/1.4) that were made primarily for use on mirrorless cameras with mount
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Fred Miranda wrote:
Thanks for the info, Juha!

I wonder if any online stores that sell MS Optics lenses will also carry the Kistar, or if it will be available through Buyee for US buyers.

Juha Kannisto wrote:
Thanks!

I think Kistar won't be available in any additional online stores and Map Camera might be the best bet for U.S. buyers (based on how previous Kistar lenses have been sold). Kinoshita Optical have an enquiry form on their website (Japanese site but English can be written in the query) and in the past I adviced one of the U.K. based forum members to ask through that web form when he wanted to buy Kistar 40/2.4 in E-mount. He got a response from Kinoshita Optical at that time, and they noted that they don't ship internationally themselves, but they
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Sorry to potentially derail this thread with the Kistar lens. Regarding the Buyee question: I don't have an answer but virtually nothing in respect to new cameras and lenses sold by Map is eligible for international shipping via Buyee. I'm not sure if this was done as a blanket change or if each manufacturer requested their products be excluded from Buyee. If the latter, then it might still be possible for the Kistar lens. But I guess we won't really know until it's available from Map. Given the rather unique nature of this lens brand and that Kinoshita Optical appears to have no presence or distributors outside Japan, I would think they'd be open to selling it internationally via Map...



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rscheffler wrote:
Sorry to potentially derail this thread with the Kistar lens. Regarding the Buyee question: I don't have an answer but virtually nothing in respect to new cameras and lenses sold by Map is eligible for international shipping via Buyee. I'm not sure if this was done as a blanket change or if each manufacturer requested their products be excluded from Buyee. If the latter, then it might still be possible for the Kistar lens. But I guess we won't really know until it's available from Map. Given the rather unique nature of this lens brand and that Kinoshita Optical
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Yes, I also don't know how Buyee is doing the blocking. There are currently Kistar lenses listed in Map Camera as new and used, so maybe somebody from overseas can see if the new ones are blocked by Buyee from international orders (not sure if it can be seen without trying to actually order though).

This is their 40/2.4 in M-mount as new, currently backordered but it could be usable as a test item I think since backordered items can usually be ordered:
https://www.mapcamera.com/item/2717014165486 (it seems the link needs to be copy-pasted to browser for it to work)



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