Very interesting, and I probably would’ve purchased it except for the lack of an EVF and stabilization. Then again, Sigma understands this and probably does not want to compete (or can’t) head-to-head with Sony and the a 7C line.
Given that this is even smaller, and it does offer such a different operational experience (again good differentiation from Sony), I can see a niche. Am I recalling correctly that the previous FP bodies did better with m-glass? if so, at this size, probably an interesting option for some.
Also curious to see if this has the beefy video specs and exposure tools of that fp’s.
Cool camera but no for me. Rather have an S9 with IBIS, a flip screen, open gate 6K/4K, and $600 left over. And the S9 has the same color as its Leica 24mp BSI sensor counterparts, whereas the fp-L colors in C1/LRC were off-putting to me, at least with every camera profile I tried back when I had one. Maybe the BF will be better in that regard, but I'd wait to see RAW samples.
I hope they sell a shit ton of these. I want cameras like this to evolve. We need outside of the box thinking as most cameras are just so fucking boring nowdays.
Leica was 5 years too early with the TL. This is the modern version of that, right down to the pop out menu and on board memory. Just in case anyone wondered where the first machined body actually came from. How did Leica not pull Sigma up on that claim?
I hope they sell a shit ton of these. I want cameras like this to evolve. We need outside of the box thinking as most cameras are just so fucking boring nowdays.
Leica was 5 years too early with the TL. This is the modern version of that, right down to the pop out menu and on board memory. Just in case anyone wondered where the first machined body actually came from. How did Leica not pull Sigma up on that claim?
Gordon
I agree- I like the outside of the "aluminum" box thinking.
Base ISO 320 .. I wonder why this is? What benefit is there to such an ISO? With electronic shutter such a base ISO will not present any issues in bright light and might keep shutter speed a bit higher in lowish light.
I wonder if wireless connectivity is still a work in progress. I would expect, at a minimum, that you would be able to obtain wireless live view and complete camera control. I think this is a technology that has legs for the future, especially when “smart” eyeglasses are further along and less expensive. Given fast enough sensor readout and peripheral processing, I would think that electronic image stabilization would be possible with a reduction in resolution. Again, no evidence that this is the case. Perhaps, global shutter for full frame sensors need to progress to higher resolution sensors and much faster sensor readout prior to providing electronic image stabilization with a global shutter.
I like the minimalistic aesthetics of this design and hope that it holds up to the intense scrutiny its about to undergo.
One nit thought is that any L-bracket designed for it will erode some of its visual qualities and I wish Sigma had incorporated an Arca style plate onto its body.
Looking forward to the next year as the folk here on FM take a deep dive into this wonderful looking body!
Al Trujillo wrote:
I like the minimalistic aesthetics of this design and hope that it holds up to the intense scrutiny its about to undergo.
One nit thought is that any L-bracket designed for it will erode some of its visual qualities and I wish Sigma had incorporated an Arca style plate onto its body.
Looking forward to the next year as the folk here on FM take a deep dive into this wonderful looking body!
I suspect it is more of a camera meant for casual use, not tripod use. And to make you look good when you carry it around.
nehemiahphoto wrote:
Very interesting, and I probably would’ve purchased it except for the lack of an EVF and stabilization. Then again, Sigma understands this and probably does not want to compete (or can’t) head-to-head with Sony and the a 7C line.
Given that this is even smaller, and it does offer such a different operational experience (again good differentiation from Sony), I can see a niche. Am I recalling correctly that the previous FP bodies did better with m-glass? if so, at this size, probably an interesting option for some.
Also curious to see if this has the beefy video specs and exposure tools of that fp’s....Show more →
I used my original fp a lot with m-glass. The cover glass thickness measured by Kolari was stated to be 1.3mm. In my experience fp did better than Sony A7C in terms of having less sensor stack induced field curvature effects, but on the other hand it does worse when it comes to color shading and it has stronger vignetting with same lenses than Sony A7C.
I utilized the ability to create Lens Compensation profiles based on reference shots on the fp to mitigate for the color shading, but I felt like at least 2 different profiles were needed for each lens to differentiate between wide aperture close distance shots and stopped down infinity shots and it became troublesome to switch the profiles while shooting.
Lately I haven't been using my fp actively and I traded away all my native L-mount lenses. I still keep the fp and EVF-11 (as well as LVF-11) though. I think the integrated EVF on the a7C/a7CII made the biggest difference for me as fp becomes quite big and clunky once any of the accessory viewfinder options are used. I also didn't enjoy using it with adapted rangefinder lenses as much as I enjoy my A7C/A7CII due to those color shading / vignetting issues and having to deal with them. On Sony I can always use native CV lenses for E-mount and mix it up with some rangefinder lenses that adapt reasonbly well, including my MS-Optics lens collection that has grown to 17 unique lenses.
A high price. It might have more traction if they release a pancake or two for it. Otherwise I think it’ll be a miss, like the FP. But I assume they don’t care. Perhaps it has a purpose that I’m not understanding.
Robin Smith wrote:
A high price. It might have more traction if they release a pancake or two for it. Otherwise I think it’ll be a miss, like the FP. But I assume they don’t care. Perhaps it has a purpose that I’m not understanding.
Panasonic's 18-40 should be a great fit for it in form factor (but not necessarily aesthetics)
It's the most Sigma thing that Sigma has ever done, and that's saying something from the company that brought you the bucket-sized 200-500 2.8 and the DP2 Quattro.
They’re releasing some of their compact primes in silver, which I presume is to match the silver version of this camera.
I have an S9, and aside from being SOL in flickery indoor lighting, it’s a fantastic travel camera. The L system doesn’t have a ton of options, but there are some really nice compact lenses: The 18-40, 28-200, 100/2.8, and the “i Series” primes all match up nicely with a compact body.
Jman13 wrote:
There’s no possible place for an EVF to attach. It doesn’t have a hotshoe. It doesn’t even have a cold shoe. It’s not a stacked sensor so rolling shutter will be pretty bad. Expect about 60ms readout speeds.
I think still it's possible. The Fp was modular and didn't have a shoe of any sort, but they cleverly were able to have an evf attachment. Similarly there's still a mount at the bottom plate, which an evf can connect to via mounting plate. And the USBC 3.2 video out is still the same side as where the previous evf was so it can connect there. Well see, but I'm sigma has something up it's sleeve for future upgrades
mboy wrote:
I think still it's possible. The Fp was modular and didn't have a shoe of any sort, but they cleverly were able to have an evf attachment. Similarly there's still a mount at the bottom plate, which an evf can connect to via mounting plate. And the USBC 3.2 video out is still the same side as where the previous evf was so it can connect there. Well see, but I'm sigma has something up it's sleeve for future upgrades
Designing a module that utilises the USBC port would be trivial. Just depends is Sigma can allow that connection to be utilised.
CKrueger wrote:
They’re releasing some of their compact primes in silver, which I presume is to match the silver version of this camera.
I have an S9, and aside from being SOL in flickery indoor lighting, it’s a fantastic travel camera. The L system doesn’t have a ton of options, but there are some really nice compact lenses: The 18-40, 28-200, 100/2.8, and the “i Series” primes all match up nicely with a compact body.
I believe they’re producing all their M-mount lenses in silver. It seems practical to choose these Sigma lenses for this camera, as the Leica SL APO lenses are too large and heavy for this system. I wish Sigma made a 28mm lens as well.
flash wrote:
Designing a module that utilises the USBC port would be trivial. Just depends is Sigma can allow that connection to be utilised.
Gordon
It may seem trivial to you but imo it's needed especially when the glare hits the screen and ones struggling to see anything. I for one can't stand a camera without an evf or some type of viewfinder and so I have a camera to get away from phone photography. So this is a no go for me until it gets one.
