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p.3 #1 · 5D vs 1Ds

stanj wrote:
See the zoom popup?

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We're not talking about the same picture or posting. Let's move on.

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Jul 27, 2008 at 03:52 AM

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p.3 #2 · 5D vs 1Ds

For the skeptical: 100% crop

2008 © jerryrock

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Original date	2008:06:07 10:36:34
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Jul 27, 2008 at 04:25 AM

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p.3 #3 · 5D vs 1Ds

jerryrock wrote:
For the skeptical: 100% crop

A more reasonable demonstration of the 1Ds' high ISO capabilities (or lack thereof) would be a situation something like this (shot with 5D and 35mm f/2):

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Edited on Jul 27, 2008 at 04:40 PM

Jul 27, 2008 at 04:36 PM

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p.3 #4 · 5D vs 1Ds

Veroman- Please reduce the file size some on your image. I have DSL and it took forever to open, longest I've ever seen on FM. I'm sure people with dial up would appreciate it.

That is a very good image and it does show the low light capabilities of the 5D which I don't think anybody is questioning. The 1Ds does produce great image and as we have seen, in the proper hands can do quite well in low light, albeit with some grain/noise which may not even show in prints. Images posted here taken with the 1Ds were taken at ISOs I would not use my 1Ds at and that shows me I need to do more practice and work with exposure settings and ISOs on the camera.

Edited on Jul 27, 2008 at 05:39 PM

Jul 27, 2008 at 05:25 PM

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p.3 #5 · 5D vs 1Ds

Gil_W wrote:
Veroman- Please reduce the file size some on your image. I have DSL and it took forever to open, longest I've ever seen on FM. I'm sure people with dial up would appreciate it.

Mmmm....it downloaded instantly for me, and it's already a pretty small file. Problem could be at the host site. I'll check things out. Thanks,

- Steve

Jul 27, 2008 at 06:49 PM

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p.3 #6 · 5D vs 1Ds

veroman wrote:
Gil_W wrote:
Veroman- Please reduce the file size some on your image. I have DSL and it took forever to open, longest I've ever seen on FM. I'm sure people with dial up would appreciate it.

Mmmm....it downloaded instantly for me, and it's already a pretty small file. Problem could be at the host site. I'll check things out. Thanks,

- Steve

Loads instantly now. Must have been a host hang up.

Jul 27, 2008 at 10:19 PM

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p.3 #7 · 5D vs 1Ds

How about in the studio setting where you wouldn't need to venture pass 200iso ?

1DS or 5D ?

Jul 28, 2008 at 01:59 AM

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Kenergy_007 wrote:
How about in the studio setting where you wouldn't need to venture pass 200iso ?

1DS or 5D ?

1Ds any day.

Jul 28, 2008 at 06:33 AM

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p.3 #9 · 5D vs 1Ds

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do you really shoot professionally at 1,600ISO with a 5D with no lighting at all?

You'll find the majority of wedding shooters doing this all the time.

Jul 28, 2008 at 11:52 AM

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Lord Fluff wrote:
markle wrote:
do you really shoot professionally at 1,600ISO with a 5D with no lighting at all?

You'll find the majority of wedding shooters doing this all the time.

Just shot a wedding this weekend and alott of shots were at 1,600ISO on the 5D with a 70-200 2.8 on the end of it. If I had pictures with me I would post them. Just thought I would back up the comment.

Jul 28, 2008 at 01:25 PM

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p.3 #11 · 5D vs 1Ds

There is no definite one BETTER than the other; I agree with the OP in that it depends no your shooting:
moving subjects, low light/ high ISO, fast viewing/saving rates: 5D.
Sitting on a tripod at the side of a river, in misty rain, 1Ds.
I have shot a lot of w.w. kayaking along landscape and owned both he 5D and the 1Ds. My personal (read: PERSONAL) feelings: the 5D has better out-of-the-box image, better high ISO, faster processing.
The 1Ds has way better build (the 5D feels plastic by comparisson), better metering, can create low ISO images on par with the 5D in p.p., better AF, and most importantly for me, weatherseals!!!

...so it all depends to the use. If you are comparing the 5D and the 1Ds on the same subject, under the same conditions, DON'T! They are different beasts, made at different times, for different uses by different people, so get over it

Jul 28, 2008 at 03:42 PM

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shaunmlavery wrote:
Lord Fluff wrote:
markle wrote:
do you really shoot professionally at 1,600ISO with a 5D with no lighting at all?

You'll find the majority of wedding shooters doing this all the time.

Just shot a wedding this weekend and alott of shots were at 1,600ISO on the 5D with a 70-200 2.8 on the end of it. If I had pictures with me I would post them. Just thought I would back up the comment.

Yup, me too, ceremonys and receptions I tend to be stuck at ISO1600 sucking as much light as possible out of the surroundings.

Jul 28, 2008 at 04:03 PM

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I am however starting to feel sick. I just sold my 1D and I am really missing it

, so much so that I actually had a dream about it last night. (i know that seems a little weird, just thought I would be honest.) Now my problem is do I stay with a 5D or get a 1Ds that gives me my 1 series camera "feel" back to me or to I just get used to the feel and all of the new locations of the buttons when going to the 5D? What is a person to do? I dont have 3-4k to spend on a 1ds II or I wouldn't be stuck in this delimena in my mind at least

. Ahh!

Aug 01, 2008 at 04:38 PM

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p.3 #14 · 5D vs 1Ds

moondigger wrote:
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moondigger wrote:
He's talking about the 1Ds, not the 1Ds2.

3500 for a 1ds1?

Re-read his original post, paying close attention to everything, but especially to the sentence he put in boldface type.

He's talking about the 1Ds, not the 1Ds2. He only mentioned the 1Ds2 as it pertains to a previous discussion on another thread, and how it got him thinking about the 1Ds instead.

Moondigger, thank you for making the clarification. You are exactly right. I am also still undecided what to replace my 5D with.

Aug 01, 2008 at 06:37 PM

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R.H. Johnson wrote:
Canon 5D Canon 70-200mm f2.8 ~ 200mm f2.8 @ 1/160Sec iso 500

Canon 5D Canon FD 300mm f2.8 w genuine Canon FD-EOS converter ~ 300mm f8 @ 1/160Sec iso 100

That is the most beautiful pigeon I have ever seen, and I always use to think of them as rather motly looking. Beautiful shot Mr Johnson!

Aug 01, 2008 at 06:40 PM

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p.3 #16 · 5D vs 1Ds

EricLee wrote:
I have both and agree with the others that the 5D is better for low light situations. I use it without the battery grip when I want to travel light.

Your decision will depend on your type of shooting. Check out this guy's recent review comparing these two cameras.

http://bui4ever.com/blog/2008/07/09/canon-eos-1ds-versus-canon-eos-5d.php

Eric, thank you for that link as it is helpful and worthwhile reading.

Aug 01, 2008 at 06:47 PM

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dasrocket wrote:
There is no definite one BETTER than the other; I agree with the OP in that it depends no your shooting:
moving subjects, low light/ high ISO, fast viewing/saving rates: 5D.
Sitting on a tripod at the side of a river, in misty rain, 1Ds.
I have shot a lot of w.w. kayaking along landscape and owned both he 5D and the 1Ds. My personal (read: PERSONAL) feelings: the 5D has better out-of-the-box image, better high ISO, faster processing.
The 1Ds has way better build (the 5D feels plastic by comparisson), better metering, can create low ISO images on par with the 5D in p.p., better AF, and most importantly for me, weatherseals!!!

...so it all depends to the use. If you are comparing the 5D and the 1Ds on the same subject, under the same conditions, DON'T! They are different beasts, made at different times, for different uses by different people, so get over it

I bought my 5D used, in perfect shape (8,000 clicks) for 1,200, and my 1Ds used, in good condition (57,000) clicks) for 1,300. I consider both freat deals, so I made my choice to sell the one due to personal use. I sold the 5D and kept the 1Ds, because every time I walked with it on slippery rocks getting to a good spot, I did not want to bother with a rain hood over it.

It would seem that the general concensus is that the choice obviously depends upon primary usage. I am inclined to think, based upon previous experience, that I would infrequently require the weather sealing (I can always use my 1D3 if the enviornment requires weather sealing), but more frequently need higher ISO settings. I think that most would agree that the 5D would likely be a better choice, for me, under those circumstances.

Those who really love their 1Ds, such as Stanj, have made a great case for owning that camera body. For me, the important "take home lesson" is...how do I plan to use the camera? And for that, I thank all who have added their input and experience to this thread.

Dave I.

Aug 01, 2008 at 07:12 PM

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I`ll just kick in here.

I owned an original 1ds, I moved on and sold it, after uaing the 1dsmk2 for a while I missed the 1ds and bought another second hand one, when the 1dsmk3 came out I part financed it with the 1ds. I swore never to fire up the hard drive that contained the 1ds files again.
Someone asked me for a repeat copy print from the 1ds days and so i had to fire up the drive, serious mistake, I `ve now got hold of a low mileage 1ds once again

for all the downside on the 1ds ergonomics (and there are plenty) when you get it right IMHO nothing is like it. I have had a 5D BTW and never found out what all the fuss was about but thats probably me and user error.

I`ve got to be honest and say that what ever aspect you ask me about the 1ds other cameras do it better and faster! all except that certain IQ that eludes me with mk2/mk3.
I told my wife to leave me if I threaten to trade the 1ds again.

Dave

Aug 01, 2008 at 07:52 PM

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dave chilvers wrote:
I`ll just kick in here.

I owned an original 1ds, I moved on and sold it, after uaing the 1dsmk2 for a while I missed the 1ds and bought another second hand one, when the 1dsmk3 came out I part financed it with the 1ds. I swore never to fire up the hard drive that contained the 1ds files again.
Someone asked me for a repeat copy print from the 1ds days and so i had to fire up the drive, serious mistake, I `ve now got hold of a low mileage 1ds once again

Dave

You are not alone - i have the same 1DsMark1 and 5D steps and my wife told me the same thing

Edited on Aug 01, 2008 at 09:13 PM

Aug 01, 2008 at 09:01 PM

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p.3 #20 · 5D vs 1Ds

i guess i should just get the fastest glass i can get my hands on and hurry and grab me a 1DS so i can get some sleep. i think if i were to actually purchase a 5D, i would always long for it, even with its shortcomings.

Aug 01, 2008 at 11:09 PM

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p.3 #21 · 5D vs 1Ds

What $2500 can get you these days - 1Ds Mark I and 85L Mark I or 5D and 24-105L - Well you do the math

Aug 02, 2008 at 09:03 AM

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veroman wrote:
markle wrote:
after all it also takes a photographer to make it happen, not just the camera ..... the last time I did interiors we had some 15 lights in place. do you really shoot professionally at 1600 ISO with a 5D with no lighting at all?

"It takes a photographer to make it happen, not just the camera." You say that so egocentrically, as if you were lending the world a new point of view.

More to the point: sarcasm and disrespect will usually get you nowhere. Read my post again. I was specifically talking about those times when I shoot detail shots handheld. Perhaps my lighting was already taken down or, as is usually the case, the detail is in another part of the home .... often in an area that was not lit to begin with. So, as I said, rather than reset any lighting ... and if ambient light will suffice (obviously) ... I have no hesitation shooting at ISO 1600 with the 5D.

As far as your "15 lights in place" goes, you're apparently of the school that some magazines don't cater to. I recently had a face-to-face conversation with the photo editor of one of our most enduring and respected home magazines. We were discussing the level of quality of the pics that appear in a competitor mag. The one thing he tended to criticize about their images was their tendency towards brightness, or "overbrightness," as he called it. "They like to suck the contrast, color and depth out of a room," he said.

This is obviously a different subject entirely than the 1Ds vs. 5D. But since you brought it up, many photographers have commented on my rooms "not being lit enough." One sent me an email that said, "Interior photography is about light, light and more light. Your images have dark areas and shadows. This is the wrong approach." Oh yeah? I'm working all the time .... and I mean ALL the time .... on 20,000 to 30,000 square foot estates, 15,000 square foot apartments, small but substantial designer homes, massive shopping malls and high end stores, etc., etc., etc.

Yeah, my style of mixing ambient light with minimal support lighting is all wrong, especially (according to you) when I use no lighting except the lighting that's there. I prefer actor James Cagney's philosophical approach to work: "Never, ever listen to anybody," he said in the last interview he gave before passing away.

- Steve

indoors done professionally need lighting. Period.

in lalaland you can tell me otherwise, but not in here.

and the 1Ds classic is the best indoor camera you can use because it gives plenty of contrast. details, fine details and film-like noise in the shadows. Anfd it all shows during the pre-press conversions. But you still need to know how to use artificial lighting. Like it or not there is a limit to the game of pretending to be a professional and telling stories in here.

Edited on Aug 04, 2008 at 08:40 AM

Aug 04, 2008 at 08:37 AM

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markle wrote:

indoors done professionally need lighting. Period.

in lalaland you can tell me otherwise, but not in here.

and the 1Ds classic is the best indoor camera you can use because it gives plenty of contrast. details, fine details and film-like noise in the shadows. Anfd it all shows during the pre-press conversions. But you still need to know how to use artificial lighting. Like it or not there is a limit to the game of pretending to be a professional and telling stories in here.

Yes, it's often necessary to 'supplement' the natural lighting with interiors, but at least in digital (RAW) we can be much less bothered about tuning the lighting colour like we had to in film, it's fairly easy to do composites etc to get round such issues.

David

Aug 04, 2008 at 10:20 AM

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markle wrote:
indoors done professionally need lighting. Period.
in lalaland you can tell me otherwise, but not in here.....
....But you still need to know how to use artificial lighting. Like it or not there is a limit to the game of pretending to be a professional and telling stories in here.

Not sure what your gripe is. Do you just enjoy being insulting or what?

- Steve

Aug 04, 2008 at 11:28 AM

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markle wrote:
...And that after I took away all the magentas from the 5D file to make it decent. (and at the same time I also take away some cyan from the 1Ds file, to be honest) BTW to the 5D owners please set the WB shift to B2,G2 in order to get real colors and not ":fiction" colors, including the magenta that makes all the faces look like dolls.

Not trying to take any sides on what seems to be getting started here, but I tried the WB shift that Markle suggested and am enjoying the results. I've noticed in the past that skin looked looked good, but for some reason just seemed slightly "off." I'm normally the type of guy that just guys out and takes pictures, but it's good to get some good, solid technical advice now and then to help out

Aug 04, 2008 at 02:26 PM


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